>>604640 (OP) I want to change my answer. Rats and hawks. Nobody can shoot 10050 of something before having his eyes plucked out or being devoured by a cloud of rats. Also, all the creatures are vulnerable to angry hawks attacking their eyes and 10000 rats can devour anything... except maybe the crocs, but they're slow and would easily be blinded once they come ashore to get me. I'm still on an island.
The guy with the gun and the bears. Guy with gun will shoot everything untill he runs out of ammo then we take a bear each for personal protection/ride it like a horse and the third alpha bear can go fuck up anything else.
Not gonna kill the bovine though, after the deathmatch me, the hunter and the bears are going to start a ranch.
>>604640 (OP) Hawks and rats. Assuming initial state is when they're far enough, all legs of the above animals would fail, before reaching me. Hawks would be distracting and slowing down the attacker, and I doubt the man can take them before loosing his shooting finger and/or eye.
just a friendly reminder that rats are fucking useless since the only thing they can hunt is bugs. The only thing the eagle can do is catch one or two rats, they are not pack hunters and will not work together in any way.
i think i wanna change my answer.. an AVERAGE rat can weigh anywhere from 3-5lbs. Some can be as big as 10. some anon did the math, but 10,000 rats and 50 hawks would be 222rats PER animal, with a hawk to help here and there. taking the weight of an average rat thats ~888lbs of rats attacking each animal..
>>604659 ^^ Yup The hunter and the crocodiles win. None of the other animals can swim. Plus animals need water to live so every time one of those fuckers goes to get a drink they will get eaten by crocodiles. Man can build a house boat and kill off everything else for food.
>>604702 I figured this shit would start on land. I'd take my human as and my crocodile partners to some near by body of water. From there I would construct some sort of floating device. Either a raft or house boat. The crocodiles would protect me from the predator animals coming to get me and my trusty rifle / shot gun would shoot birds out of the sky. I could also eliminate threats from the water. Its a win win situation anon!
>>604640 (OP) you fagycunts don't know what a good strategy is here > 10000 rats >50 hawks >rats move so fast and are so small that nothing can kill them they are zurging n shit clawing and killing people and animals fast. + they have diseases on them one bite and say hello to the black plague. and no plague doctor can save you with his stick.
>hawks are the fastest animal on air they can go 200 km an h. they will claw down any thing that gets near you before you can say "cunt"
>and who ever chooses a human is a dump motherfucker he will just run or stab you in the back like always or maybe he is a 9gager.
>>604710 If building shit/prep time is in, I'm definitely taking two humans. Turns into a bushcraft challenge. Tower defense with three towers. I obviously get one of their spare guns.
Easy to build a shelter that proofs you against the birds and the crocs, possibly the smaller animals like wolves and rats. Then you build traps for the big ones and Thermopylae their asses by channeling them into a kill zone.
>if you don't pick the rats, they're gonna kill you >if you don't pick the hunter, he's gonna kill you the rest are arbitrary. they're all mindless brutes. at least with the rats, you have 10,000 distractions while the hunter picks off the other animals
>>604640 (OP) Alligators are slow on land, rats are a small threat. The 5 silver backs are an obvious #1 choice. I think picking the 50 eagles just for the sole purpose of them not swarming you and killing you, and they could counter all the rats.
>>604724 Nope since there's nothing you can do vs the hawks. Hunter isn't taking out 50 of them before he dies and the rats are useless against them, unless you try to do that really dumb thing one anon said and bury yourself in them so you suffocate.
>>604732 hawks are stupid. they'll go for the easy meal of rats before attacking you/hunter. so while they swoop on the rats, the hunter shoots them
the fact is this: regardless of how many other animals you have, you're not gonna stop EVERY single rat, and there's a good chance that once you're bit, you're gonna get infected and potentially die. the hunter as well can shoot from afar. even one or two pellets from buckshot is enough to disable a person, which is definitely hitable from 100yd away, well away from any other threats. you could make argue hawks+gorillas, but the hawks aren't gonna do much to anything but the hunter and rats
I just had a new idea
>hawks and whatever >get hawks to steal gun from hunter so you can use the gun >hawks can pick up the rats and drop them on other animals to force collateral damage >2nd animal can be anything, probably something to surround you while you shoot shit
The basic point of miscommunication here is that there is no explanation of the situation or the scenario at all.
Where do you and your companions start? Where do all the opponents start? What does the battlefield look like? How much time is given during the start? Is is the number of animals in the picture multiplied by the multiplier? Or does the picture simply represent the animal multiplied by the multiplier? What equipment does the hunter come with? Specifics such as weaponry are important because this determines how far you can safely be before he can gun you down. What level of strategy/command can you give your companions? Are they able to do things they normally wouldn't in real life - said meatcage, etc?
Fucking faggot OP doesn't even know how to do this kind of thing. Go to /tg/ and learn properly, fag.
>>604736 What do the rats do when they reach you? You can also climb a tree and keep kicking them off because they are weak climbers. Also it will take them quite some time to chew through your boots and clothing.
Hawks would be impossible to avoid because you can't even climb trees to get away from them, and nobody except 1x hunter counters them, but 1x hunter cannot kill 50x hawks with a single rifle. Maybe a belt fed machine gun that can cut trees.
>>604744 No you're overthinking this. The attackers have a single mindset: KILL YOU. There are no animal instincts taking over or anything. They're swarming at you and not stopping unless stopped by your defenders.
>>604749 I'm going by the pic and the same thread we had last night. Consensus was this takes place in an open field like Totally Accurate Battle Simulator, only the attackers aren't interested in killing the defenders, just you.
I could take out everything on that page with impunity except for the human in the middle, which would offer the only real resistance. Nothing else could even penetrate my house, and would be completely and utterly devastated before reaching my person.
Literally nothing on hat page except the human stands ANY fucking chance, and if they do to you, then you really need to reconsider what the fuck is wrong with your life because nothing has remotely come close to existentially challenge man other than man for millennia.
>>604751 >They're swarming at you and not stopping unless stopped by your defenders. then you HAVE to take the rats or else you're fucked. do you realize how much 10,000 is? there's no way even with 50 hawks and 5 gorillas that you're gonna stop every single rat without taking heavy losses, and that's ignoring the lions, bears, crocs, etc
>>604764 I know it doesnt say anything about raft building but as I am running from the predators trying to kill me I can collect material from the bush to construct my raft. I'd use my shoe laces and anything else I have for cordage.
>>604767 And that was the consensus we reached. You HAVE to take the rats, and because of that you also HAVE to take the hawks because if you don't they're coming at you and you can't defend against them.
>>604773 My scenario is that I am running towards any water to escape the predators. I would run towards the mountains because thats where wolves and bears live they know the terrain and you will tire before they do.
>>604777 Actually this is the same confusion we had last night because the pic doesn't give enough info like location.
I will remake this thread later and add some missing info, like it takes place in an open field, no extra tools for the hunter, the animals are of a singular mind and are trying to kill just you, they have no real life animal instincts, etc.
There's just too much info missing and it leads to overthinking all this.
>>604780 but rats are useless. They dont have some magic hivemind to help them co-ordinate. The only stories i have ever heard of rats killing people are when the person is terminally ill/disabled and cant move.
>>604640 (OP) Just curious, are you from some shithole country or live in the middle of a city and can't own guns or something?
Because, a man, alone, with an automatic rifle, sitting in an average brick home on an average plot of land, in an average place, would easily be able to eliminate everything on that list without taking a scratch (except for the human, the one animal there that could present a challenge), if he had even a little time to prepare.
Animals don't snipe, they don't dig trenches, they don't take cover, they break and run because they have no organization or morale, they are honestly almost helpless against a real human being. Most notably, they don't know what the fuck to do with a burning ditch of petrol, and will lose their shit within a second of a real conflagration.
If you wanted something scary, add a million wasps, or something, and boubonic plague, because what's on that list has already been controlled, dominated, and exist because we allow them to.
In a city: 10K Rats + man -> set rats loose, hide in a building and have man shoot the birds first and the rest of the animals don't know how to enter buildings. In a forest: You're fucked. Would go for bear + lion here, although birds and the rats will be a problem for sure. Mountain: eagles + man, find a steep climb, set for landslide Flat tarmac area: you're fucked any which way 5-dimensional hypercube: just have your 4D man-buddy fire his gun once and all realities, all the different reincarnations of all the beasts die
>>605018 There are two bears in the picture so that would be six grizzlies
Gorillas and maybe bulls are the only things that might be a problem. People don't even understand how strong a grizzly bear is. They can toss around a 900lb steel dumpster like a kid shaking a christmas present
>>605027 Nope overthinking it. All attackers are swarming at you at once, sort of like a bunch of terminators. They aren't stopping to feed or shit or hunt, they're just coming at you. Your defenders have to stop them before they kill you.
>>605070 lol, no, I get the guy and his gun, and I'll tell him to drop that piece of shit fudgun and pick up a real rifle, and the rats can't do shit but die. You realize a simple ditch with petrol or diesel (unlit) is enough to kill all the rats.
>>605074 Don't worry about that, choose the hawks too they'll take care of the hunter faster than all the others then help the rat zerg with the rest. No way any animal on that list is surviving 222 rats and a hawk.
>>605071 I know right. You could even take th egun ammunition and use the gun powder to light a huge ass fire. Wild animals hate fire. They know its man and dangerous. Animals retreat man wins every time. He can even shoot the water buffalo and make steaks.
>>604750 If you climb a tree you're an easy target for the guy with a gun and the eagles. And bears are good climbers. The rats have a good chance of spreading disease leading to your death.
But on the flip side I feel they are pretty useless on defense. But I think 10,000 rats charging to kill you would eventyally become impossible to handle. Based on that I would probably choose the rats and the gorillas. At least the rats could serve as fodder and probably take care of the guy with a gun
>>605053 Dude...hawks arent dangerous. If they start to sit on u and swarm u can just like wriggle your arms lol. Also i can hide under 1 gorilla and the 4 others can wriggle their arms, u do know they are like 20x as strong
>>605220 Also, in addition to being vulnerable to hawks shredding their face andgouging out their eyes, they're also being shredded by 10000 rats. They won't be focused on your protection for very long.
Definitely the rats..10,000 rats could probably kill everything just on their own. I guess I'd take the wolves second because they also kill/hunt in packs. The size of everything else doesn't matter when they have rats and wolves swarming on them. The man would die almost instantly. The crocodiles wouldn't do shit. The hawks can only swoop down on so much before a wolf chomps it. The bears would get swarmed by rats. The lions would get swarmed by rats and a pack of wolves can easily kill a lion. The bulls wouldn't do shit. Easy victory OP
So what you do is go on an island with a moat at the center. The large body of water surrounding the island, dump a fuck load of chemicals in it, and at the shore of the island, put up some electrified barbed wire.
The poison and wires should deal with the mice and maybe a few other predators. On the inner moat (which is regular water) put all of the crocodiles inside of there. Anything that gets in that body of water is going to get fucking mauled to death by them.
On the small plot of land at the center of the moat, have a tall bunker which has a (concrete) roof over it, and very small slits for the guy with the gun to shoot out of, but not big enough for the birds to get into.
Have each of the 4 corners of the roof of the bunker equipped with some poles, and you basically place metal mesh wire around the entire thing, yet leaving a pocket on the roof. The man with the gun now has access to the roof, but the birds are unable to swoop down and take him out, so he can shoot them out of the sky. EZ win
>>604691 I don't know what shithole country you're from, but the average rat weighs much less than a pound. They only get that big if they're certain species or they've been eating your dead abo neighbors
>>605146 No, it doesn't say anything about that, you pick two to defend, and the rest attack you. You are literally making shit up, idiot. If you want it to say that, then make one that says that, but you don't get to arbitrarily decide on random bullshit like that, or I get to say, they're all crippled and missing teeth.
>>605259 Have you ever seen a dog grab a bird out of the air while it was flying low to the ground? If these birds are fighting in some kind of tactic a man would conceive then so are the rats and wolves to be fair. If they are going with their nature they'd fly away after all the other shit was dead. But to be fair the hawks were my second choice over the wolves. It would be a bitch to kill all of them
>>605281 >nope. Close to 700 rats per dog. no fucking way a dog can neutralize a swarm of 700 anything trying to blow by it.
bullshit dogs are used by exterminators to kill rats every day. Theres no fucking way the rats could outmaneuver or outbite the wolves. They are stupid little rodents, the numbers only mean it will take longer for the wolves to kill them all.
>>605320 Bro...do you not realize how big of a number 700 is? Yeah a wolf could probably take on quiet a few, but 700? They'll just swarm him. You dont see exterminators using dogs to kill an entire infestation all at once. Rats would stomp
>>605320 10,000 rats swarming at you vs 15 wolves is a death sentence for you. They're not simple mindless rats either, they're trying to kill and just you. They're not stopping, they're not getting distracted, they're coming after you and must be stopped before they reach you.
There is nothing in the pic that can defend you from 10,000 rats.
>>605315 Well if they hawks take out 15 wolves, losing at least 1-2 per wolf...still leaves 5-6000 rats, assuming that many even die. 30-40 hawks aren't taking that on. They'd die of exhaustion before they got through a thousand. Hawks don't do shit in this battle
>>605322 That's not true. In parts of Australia they have huge rats infestations and there are exterminators that use packs of dogs to kill them. But yeah 10,000 rats would kill everything alone, you don't even need a companion
>>605349 This is the same issue we had last night with this thread so I'm going to take it upon myself to add more rules next time so we're not building towers in the middle of a lake surrounded by a pit with spikes.
>>605322 wolves have been eating rats for hundreds of thousands of years. throughout those years id be willing to bet no rat or group of rats have ever turned the tide and killed a wolf. If a wolf saw 700 in a group it would be smart enough to herd them and brake smaller groups off, wolves can herd their prey if they are fast and in this case a wolf is at least 20km/h faster than a rat. The vast majority of rats are not hunters but scavengers, their only tactic would be run at it and bite. Seeing how they are slower than wolves and have less stamina there is no way it could work.
>>605351 Yeah I said the hawks would be my second choice behind the wolves. 10,000 rats are unstoppable alone. I just figured the wolves would make it easier for the ground fight. I'm not saying the hawks wouldn't make it til the end but the wolves and rats would make for a very quick ground sweep. Then all thats left are a bunch of hawks circling around wolves waiting for them to come down, and piles of rats. Either one will latch on when they come down
>>605398 It doesn't even matter. If 10,000 rats are solely targeting you, they don't give a fuck about the wolves. They aren't going to trail off and hunt down each wolf. They are going to blitz for YOU. The wolves cannot stop a swarm of 10,000 mice from reaching you. Nothing on that list can stop a swarm of rats
>>605363 Rats deal with the big animals. If you pick hawks and rats that leaves you with 44 animals and 1 human with a rifle coming at you. The hawks can deal with the human quickly (he can shoot and swat a few away but they're gonna gouge his face), and each animal has to deal with over 220 rats swarming and biting it. Nothing can handle that.
If you aren't in an arena, how does most of that shit even come close to proving a challenge?
You all are going on and on about the birds and rats. Guys, how the fuck is a bird supposed to get into a fucking house unless you let it in? The same goes for most of the shit on that list. can they climb ladders? Can they open doors? Can they fucking teleport?
>>605398 The wolves would herd them? Can you not conceive what 10,000 rats would look like? If you stacked them all up it would be like the size of a retarded students bus. A wolf would get consumed in 5 seconds
>>605406 No, this is just your fantasy mental masturbation, dude. People with life experience here know that those animals don't stand a fucking chance except in your fantasy world of superbiomutant rats. They will literally scatter at the sound of speaker feedback, for fuck's sakes, it would wreck them.
>>605408 The whole point of the average is so we don't have to go and count everything the fuck out.
Go ahead and count exactly how many rats are killed by the hawks in the middle of the whole thing. I sure as fuck wont be bothered. I can just assume each bird has to kill 200 to keep me alive, which sounds unreasonable; therefore I wouldn't pick the birds as a good defender to rats.
>>605407 Well then since I'm hanging out in my apartment on the 2nd floor, the stairwell is closed by a metal fire door and animals can't use elevators, nothing is getting up here. I choose hunter and rats and I win.
Which is why we can't use these kinds of locations or it makes everything moot.
>>605475 Actually, dude, I hate this conversation, but I have to step in and remind you that intact male cattle, bulls, are aggressive as fuck, which is why you cut their nuts off unless you want to breed them.
>>605450 You think because a wolf can herd cattle, it can herd rats? That doesn't make any fucking sense. You are STILL neglecting the fact that the rats are charging after YOU, uncaring about anything else, other than your death
>>605450 All that herding fantasy aside...wolves aren't going to herd 10,000 rats. Animals are moved in herds because they're prey and being threatened by a predator. This is a battle. These rats aren't prey. They are here to kill. They aren't going to be swayed by a few wolves into "herding". They're just going to swarm those wolves the second they get close
Obviously someone here things rats are their goddamn spirit animal with superpowers, but dude, a goddamn loudspeaker will literally turn their brains into jelly. If they don't run, they become incapacitated. There's something for everyone, the animals don't stand a fucking chance unless you want to strip people of their humanity and adorn these fucking animals with superhuman cunning, perseverence and stamina, which is complete fantasyland.
>>605509 Wrong. It is not stated anywhere in the OP that you cannot have any gadgets, time to build / fortify, or any preparation time. We can assume anything is allowed. You are only limited to "Pick 2 defenders" and "No arena style fights"
Niggers who have some kind of rat fetish don't get to unilaterally decide to nerf anything that would wipe them out without a fight, and there's something for everything on that list like that, honestly, which is why humans are dominating the planet, and not fucking rats.
>>605528 OP said specificalyl no arena style fight, dude. That means you're not in an open plain with these things swarming you, which implies, you're whereever the fuck you are normally, like your house.
It doesn't say "You're in the salt flats, the jungle, blah blah.
>>605531 OP meant that this isn't an animal vs animal only fight, because last night people were thinking the attackers would stop and try to kill all the defenders in some arena-style death match before getting to you.
I know because I'm the OP and I need to add more info for next thread. Even what I added this time isn't enough.
>>605549 You need to add a lot of fucking info, and put it in the pic, because past the first couple of posters, nobody is going to read your post, they just look at the picture, you know?
Also, if you're going to say, we're naked unexistant, and the only combatants are the chosen defenders, then you need to seriously nerf some of that shit, because mankind is mankind because of tools, and will always think of tools to solve a problem, if you strip him of tools, you've got literally a fucking helpless child, so you need to specify that.
>10000 rat over come almost everything besides the hawks >hunter shoots the hawks out the sky >hunter prob has all the necessary equipment ie: bear mace, knife for alligators,tranquilizers, gun obviously. >hawks attack hunter >rats run up hunter and kill hawks >not picking rats and the hunter
>>605572 Whatever, this entire thread, OP has been mentally masturbating about his fucking rules, so if he wants them in place, he needs to put them in place, and not just make them up as soon as someone comes up with a brilliant and creative idea (loudspeaker, lol)